Bulova 1930 -Unknown

Submitted by neetstuf-4-u on July 8, 2020 - 6:32pm
Manufacture Year
1930
Movement Model
13AF
Movement Date Code
Omega
Movement Jewels
15
Case Serial No.
9465960
Case shape
Rectangle
Case color
White
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Crystal details
approx 16 x 25mm
Gender
Ladies
Watch Description

I'm not ashamed to say this one has me mystified. When I bought it, I was sure it was a Men's Douglas, based on overall dimensions (35MM x 23MM) and lug side profile. Once in hand, it's not a Douglas. The engraving pattern on the top around the crystal is a dead match to the Ladies Sport Watch Magnolia. A small flower shows at 12, 3 , 6 and 9. I went as far as counting the leaves chevrons on Magnolias in the database. Count and corner 45 degree pattern transition is the same.

The Magnolias in the database display a round movement, this one is a 13AF and barrel shaped with a dust cover. Case movement holder is a perfect fit to the movement, as well as the casing. Back is marked with the 1924 dust cover patent as well as serial number and "Bulova".

The side engravings match neither the documented Douglas or Magnolia, however, I find a Douglas with a 13AF movement that does match, and the placement of the seconds hand is correct, while the Magnolia shows the seconds shaft closer to the center shaft and showing the bottom of the "6" on the face.

My theory is that in late 1929 or early 1930, Bulova was experimenting with the short lived 13AF and it had limited use in several watches including the Lone Eagle. Lone Eagles with a 13AF movement had; almost to the watch, the stubby hour hand. When you are looking at them, the unusually short hour hand is almost always a give-away.

Lug profile on this watch matches the Douglas and top engraving matches the Magnolia. I put forth the theory that Bulova used the same casing for both watches on a limited basis in 1929 and 1930, changing the Douglas face engraving to be a Magnolia and side engraving to match neither, except possibly others with the 13AF installed. Changes being to adapt for the new movement..

Ad included is dated 1927 and the latest one I could find.

Well, that's my take on this one, I believe this to be a short lived version of the "Ladies Sport Watch" Magnolia.............panel? Ever seen one?

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Kathy L.
Posted July 8, 2020 - 7:20pm

That is a great looking watch.  I would say it is a Magnolia.  As you say they might have changed movements at some point.  Nice find.

1930 Bulova Magnolia

jabs
Posted July 9, 2020 - 12:51pm

1930 Bulova Magnolia is good match

JimDon5822
Posted July 10, 2020 - 4:49pm

Everything points to a 1930 Magnolia.  It is possible there was a movement change by Bulova during this period but the case seems to be a perfect match.  

Geoff Baker
Posted July 10, 2020 - 9:22pm

1930 Bulova Magnolia

plainsmen
Posted August 1, 2021 - 5:02pm

Magnolia... Nice watch!

Alex
Posted August 2, 2021 - 10:46am

Hi, the watch is an Unknown.

This model came in 3 sizes (Small, Medium, Large).  Other than the size, they are identical: having mitered corners and a laurel leaf engraving with a flower in the middle. Seeing them in a picture, you can't tell them apart. Only next to each other, you notice the difference in size.

The sizes are:

- Small: 19.6 x 32.7mm, having a 7(A)T movement (measured with caliper)

- Medium: 21.7 x 33.4mm, having a 8AT or 8AN movement (measured with caliper)

- Large: 35 x 23mm, having a 13AF movement (indicated by neetstuf-4-u)

The Medium and Small were first introduced in 1926 as the male Windsor and ladies' Sports model Suzanne respectively. To prove how identical they are: Bulova used the same illustration for both models, creating some initial confusion (with me at least) thinking they were one and the same i.e. it was a name change from a men's model to a ladies' sports model.......until I had them both in my hands.

In 1927, the Suzanne changes name to Magnolia. That is also the year the first example of the Large version appears. There is one posted on watchophilia having a 13AF, and also Lisa is puzzled about this watch (and measures it as 36mm, not 35).

The Magnolia does not survive beyond 1927. The Windsor makes it into 1928, when it is replaced by a new Windsor with black enamel, and still with an 8AN movement.  

The longest survivor apparently is our "Unknown" subject watch. Only two examples are found so far. And the only one with an example of 1929.....the subject watch.

Geoff Baker
Posted August 2, 2021 - 9:41pm

I'm impressed Alex! It would be nice to see the three side by side by side.

I guess I vote to tag this one as 1930 Bulova Unknown

Alex
Posted August 2, 2021 - 11:22pm

In reply to by Geoff Baker

If neetstuff-4-me sends it to me for photography or sells it to me, I can make that picture side by side (smiley).

neetstuf-4-u
Posted August 2, 2021 - 10:24pm

Well done Alex. Agreed, flip it to unknown.