Bulova 1941 -Non-Conforming

Submitted by slsummers on April 8, 2023 - 5:59pm
Manufacture Year
1941
Movement Model
10BE
Movement Date Code
Asterisk
Movement Jewels
15
Case Serial No.
7557358
Case shape
Round
Case color
Yellow
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Gender
Mens
Watch Description

I appreciate your help verifying the identity of this "war-time" watch.  The movement indicates it's from 1941. After reading all the previous similar submissions, this appears to be a men's 1941 Apollo (likely for boys at 25.8mm). It has a 15J, 10BE movement, and a snap-back case.  Since the dial and hands appear non-luminescent, it is likely not a Nighthawk like I originally thought. I couldn't find any black-dialed Apollos, making me question my choice...

Front
Back
Inside case
Movement
1955mercury
Posted April 9, 2023 - 9:22am

Hi Slsummers. Your case serial number indicates it was made in 1947 and the movement date code indicates it was made in 1941. I think possibly there has been a complete movement swap. Neetstuff has a 1947 American Clipper posted that has what looks to be the same case as yours. Both yours and his case serial numbers start out with "755...   Let's see what others think.

1947 American Clipper
  

neetstuf-4-u
Posted April 9, 2023 - 11:39am

I've been back to this one a few times and have to agree with 1955mercury.  Watch appears to be a "marriage of convenience". There is a pretty big gap between dates. That leads to the problem of how to ID - by dial and movement date, case date or potentially non-conforming.? I suppose it's possible the case back was replaced as well, and everything else is 1941..

neetstuf-4-u
Posted April 9, 2023 - 12:06pm

In reply to by neetstuf-4-u

Here is a side-by-side of my 1942 Nighthawk and 1947 American Clipper. Cases are identical and case backs will interchange.

sidebyside

Based on this, I would be inclined to date and identify by the majority of parts. If case bezel, movement and dial are original and case back is a replacement, it's a

1941 Nighthawk, noting replaced back and hands.

If the complete case is 1947, and the movement and dial are 1941 it's

1947 non-conforming.

slsummers
Posted April 9, 2023 - 3:19pm

This last post (side by side from Neetstuf) was a flash of realization and an OMG moment.
I was cleaning a 1945 American Clipper with 10BAC movement at the same time.  I'm now wondering if I inadvertently swapped case backs.  The case back on the AClipper is 6510514.

mybulova_admin
Posted April 12, 2023 - 7:15am

In reply to by slsummers

Can you confirm that is the case (excuse the pun). If so what should the case back details be for the watch?

JimDon5822
Posted April 10, 2023 - 10:13pm

This does appear to. be an Air Warden dial with replaced hands and case back replacement also.  1947 non-conforming.

Geoff Baker
Posted April 12, 2023 - 9:55pm

I agree with Jim that, as presented this really is a non-conforming watch.

I would also note the owners comment that the size indicates a boys watch. Bulova made Men's and Women's watches. They did not produce or distribute watches for children. This is the normal size for Military watches of the era (even though this was not produced for the military.