Bulova 1934 Dolly Madison

Submitted by bobgpw on September 5, 2012 - 4:03pm
Manufacture Year
1934
Movement Model
4AH
Movement Date Code
Circle
Movement Jewels
15
Movement Serial No.
9158
Case Serial No.
584958
Case shape
Rectangle
Case color
White
Case Manufacturer
Bulova
Gender
Ladies
Watch Description

Is this a Lady Bulova?

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1935 Bulova watch
1935 Bulova watch
1935 Bulova watch
1935 Bulova watch
William Smith
Posted September 9, 2012 - 6:26pm

1935 Miss Liberty from me.

Geoff Baker
Posted September 10, 2012 - 5:25am

I agree with Miss Liberty

William Smith
Posted September 11, 2012 - 12:55am

4 votes for 1935 Miss Liberty to date.  Fifth, Will, DarHin and Admin.

William Smith
Posted September 16, 2012 - 7:25pm

bobgpw  Based on the case serial number, it looks like the year of production is 1935.  The first digit of case serial number corresponds to the single-year of decade for production.  We "know" it's from the 1930's and we use the 6 digit in case serial number to date to 1935.  The circle date symbol on the movement is 1934, but we think it was cased in a 1935 case- so the latter of the two becomes the production date.  Can you update, or would you like me to update? 

bobgpw
Posted September 19, 2012 - 1:29pm

Hello William,

Year of production updated as requested.  Thanks to everyone for their input.

alien Ant
Posted July 6, 2013 - 5:32pm

Not Miss Liberty. Mounts should be kite shaped as in this ad and seven jewels

this is a real 1935 Miss Liberty

the posted watch looks like the Dolly Madison in this 1932 ad

another 1930's ad with this watch named as the Dolly Madison.

mybulova_admin
Posted July 6, 2013 - 8:29pm

This adds to the confussion.

1932 Bulova  Miss Liberty advert.

No engraving down the sides as shown on the subject watch of the advert above listing as Dolly Madison.

I honestly think that the biggest problem we have with a number of models is that jewelers simply mixed up the model name when listing in a paper. This would be highly likely as many models were very similar in design.

Also this Reading Eagle Dec 1 1931 advert really shows us how old newspaper jeweler adverts just add to the confussion even more. What is right and what is wrong in this advert. Note The Dolly Maddison.

 

1931 Bulova advert

I think it's very fair to say that we should use these old newspaper adverts with caution. Yes they can assist or confirm a watches ID, but they are not very effective at being a reliable source. A true Bulova advert should and will always trump an old jeweler advert.

If they got the Sky King / Lone Eagle wrong, does that mean they also got the Miss Liberty / Dolly Madison wrong???

Anyone for a scotch?

alien Ant
Posted July 6, 2013 - 9:33pm

In reply to by mybulova_admin

They did not get the Miss Liberty mixed up with the Dolly madison because the ad for the Dolly Madison states it is set with two genuine diamonds and the watch in the ad is the one with diamonds.

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mybulova_admin
Posted July 6, 2013 - 8:43pm

Another advert showing engraved and non-engraved version release.

1932 Bulova Miss Liberty advert

mybulova_admin
Posted July 6, 2013 - 9:10pm

And finally Bulova's own advert for the 1934 Miss Liberty of this period. Note advert details engraved and plain versions.

1934 Bulova Miss Liberty