What I do know 100% about the watch is that it was given to me in 1969. It has my name engraved on the back which was done in 1969.
I have been told it was gifted to my grandfather for his 10th birthday in 1923 ( whether that information is correct or not is what I am trying to determine)
The watch has 15 Jewels and was purchased in Canada. I dont know if the knife and chain were originally added to the knife or if they were added in the 60's
Inside the case is some hand written information like "B123HT" and "NN7765 followed by some cursive text which comes up in the image for inside the case"
I would like to know what year the watch was manufactured and weather it needs any form of insurance. Thank you for your time and expertise.
Are you able to find a date code on the movement? Do you see a cresent moon stamp?
Case made by American Watch Case Co. of Toronto, Canada. I've not seen these cases use for Bulova watches before.
https://awccoca.wordpress.com/page/6/
My suspision is that the case is correct and made about 1923, but the movement may have been a replacement...maybe...I'm not 100% sure.
The movement is probably from around 1928. Here is another 17AT example.
In reply to I'm not sure it is as early… by mybulova_admin
I have probably seen about 7-10 of these cases used for Bulova Pocket watches. I discuss it here about midway down the replies Steve:
In reply to I'm not sure it is as early… by mybulova_admin
I've dicussed this watch with another member who specialises in early Bulova pocket watches and we both tend to agree that Bulova were not using A.W.C Co cases for their watches, as they had their own Bulova branded cases, even one's stamped 'Bulova' and 'Toronto'.
Our opinion is that the either the original watch was a Waltham which later had the Bulova movement added, or vice versa, it was originally a Bulova that had the case swapped. Both options would have been common practise to ensure a timepiece could continue to be used, especially a high quality timepiece. They were valued and not easily or quicky discarded, just because something was wrong them and was usually cheaper to fix than replace, unlike today.
Lee, it would be good to see another clear photo of the movement if possible, as I'm sure there will be a date stamp there somewhere.
In reply to I've dicussed this watch… by mybulova_admin
I'm telling you man... I have seen several Bulova watches from that are within those cases.
I have one in the database right here:
In reply to I'm telling you man... I… by plainsmen
I'm not saying we won't find other examples, there were literally millions of these cases made over the decades, I'm just not convinced Bulova used these cases with their watches.
The NAWCC website takes a closer look at these cases here: American Watch Case Co., Ltd. (Toronto) | NAWCC Forums. My doubt stems from it being a 'gold filled' case and not solid gold. If it were soid gold I would more than likely agree, as we know Bulova commonly used other case coimpanies for their solid gold versions, but they had their own 14K GF cases, espically during this period of the late 20s. Also both this and your example have different case styles and bow.
I think it will be difficult to establish if Bulova did house their movements in an A.W.C Co case.
The safe bet is to group them in the general 'Pocket watch' category, rather than ID as a 470.
