Bulova 1930 Conqueror

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Model ID rating explained.
2.2575
Manufacture Year: 
1930
Movement Symbol: 
Omega
Movement Model: 
10AN
Movement Jewels: 
15
Movement Serial No.: 
561961
Case Serial No.: 
0043837
Case shape: 
Tonneau
Case Manufacturer: 
Bulova
Gender: 
Mens
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bobbee
Posted July 25, 2014 - 3:16am

Very nicely preserved Conqueror, Constantin.

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William Smith
Posted July 25, 2014 - 3:20am

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Nice Conqueror.   So if it had the enamel corners would it be the Cyrano?  Note the "F" on the bezel side picture above... I don't remember if we discussed similar markings or not...

Constantin
Posted July 25, 2014 - 12:49pm

William Smith wrote:

Nice Conqueror.   So if it had the enamel corners would it be the Cyrano?  Note the "F" on the bezel side picture above... I don't remember if we discussed similar markings or not...

The hands looks like the advert of Cyrano. It is possible that the enamel is gone in time or somebody polished it?
What means the F on the case side ?

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William Smith
Posted July 29, 2014 - 12:25pm

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I don't know what the F means.... hopefully someone else may have an idea?  
I'm guessing that the area of the Cyrano where there was enameling was slightly indented, so as to allow a place for the enamel to "pool" when applied.  
Also, the area between the dial and engraving has a slight margin at 3pm/9pm positions in subject watch, while both Cyrano and Conqueror ads seem to have the engraving "butting up" to the dial edge at 3pm/9pm positions.  The engraving in the ads has a small "unengraved" area at "corners", while sujbect watch has this bezel engraving continuing uninterupted around entire outer margin of bezel. ...and the lugs of subject watch may be a little more "pointed or narrow" at the outer end.  Artist rendition perhaps?

Jim Townsend
Posted July 25, 2014 - 4:45am

Beautiful watch

Geoff Baker
Posted July 25, 2014 - 6:05am

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I would also say this is a Conqueror -very nice.

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Reverend Rob
Posted July 25, 2014 - 9:21am

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Conqueror it is, very cool.

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William Smith
Posted July 29, 2014 - 12:37pm

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based on possible slight lug differences, continuous bezel margin engraving, and proximity of engraving to dial at 3pm/6pm areas, two ticks tentative for Conqueror. 

Do ya think these slight differences are artist rendition issues in the ad(s)?  Could such subtle differences (if they even exist) constitute a different model name?

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bobbee
Posted July 29, 2014 - 3:08pm

Maybe the "F" is for "filled",  as in gold filled. A simple way for someone who can't or is not allowed to open up a watch case to tell the difference between case composition?

The engraving is unusual that it is continuous, but it is the same pattern used on the Trojan/Conqueror.

I can see where you are going with this one Will, and I have to say I agree.

Narrow lugs, cathedral hands and joined engraving all point to a Cyrano that has been polished and the "enamel" removed. Is this true enamel, or painted on stuff, not baked on? I have done enamelling, and I think the heat required to melt glass powder would damage gold plate. Painted enamel would be easy to over-polish, especially over 84 years.

Here are the two Cyrano examples in the db, the similarities to the subject are unmistakeable.

http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1930-cyrano-6067

http://www.mybulova.com/watches/1930-cyrano-6377

 

Changing my mind on the ID, Cyrano. One tick for Conqueror.

Great spot Will, and such finesse on the guidance. Been on a "Human Resources" course? :-D

Richard Callamaras
Posted August 1, 2014 - 6:17pm

Bobee, you are correct the F is for filled. You will also see other markings such as RG For rolled gold. I had the same question a few years back and my local watch maker was very quick to point out several examples to substantiate the claim right on my watches! :-)